Summoner Wars

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Summoner Wars

Post by snuffz » 26/06/2013 17:05

Snuffo: “Figli. Non fai tempo a dire ‘Abbiamo svangato l’influenza’ che ti riempiono la casa di fazzoletti appallottolati”
Uomodellepulci: “Normale. Io ho quello di mezzo che sembra un Vesuvio di muco”
L’Uomodellepulci ha tre figli e quando ne parla ne parla proprio così: il primo, l’ultimo e quello di mezzo.
La sua famiglia è un clan.
Uomodellepulci: “E dimmi un po’: qual è il nuovo gioco del momento? Il gioco che per almeno una settimana descriverai come il-gioco-in-assoluto-più-fico-del-mondo-che-lo-sgrulla-in-faccia-a-tutti-gli-altri-giochi salvo all’ottavo giorno essertene dimenticato per un altro in assoluto più fico del mondo?”
Snuffo: “Summoner Wars!”

SUMMONER WARS (su IPAD)
Palmares Snuffo:
Totale partite giocate: 44
Vittorie: 1
Sconfitte: 43

Vi è mai capitato di imbattervi in un gioco fico fico fico, ma al quale non riuscite a vincerne una manco di striscio?
“Forse ti piace proprio perché non vinci, e tu ti intestardisci a giocarlo in una sorta di amore-odio” ha osservato l’Uomodellepulci mentre il suo clan faceva a pezzi la cucina.
Dubito. Che il gioco sia una Charlize Theron che viene a prendervi fin sotto casa con sguardo ammiccante e un paio di bottiglie di birra ghiacciate, lo si capisce sin dalla prima partita.


Ci sono alcune cose di Magic The Gathering che mi hanno sempre dato da pensare. Ad esempio il fatto che puoi equipaggiare una creatura, un soldato, con 3 spade. Tre??? Come fa a impugnare TRE spade?
Lo ammetto: sono voli pindarici, il gioco è plasmato in una certa maniera e governato da certe regole e se vogliamo spaccare in quattro il capello per un soldato con 3 spade cosa dovremmo dire di un orso equipaggiato con un’ascia? (e di quelli che abbandonano i cani in autostrada? Citz. Avvocato Messina)
In Munchkin e World of Warcraft, giochi sicuramente diversi e dalle regole differenti, puoi impugnare una sola arma per mano.
Un’altra cosa che mi ha dato sempre da pensare, in Magic, è la linearità del campo di gioco. Le creature entrano in gioco… ma come diavolo è fatto questo campo di gioco?
Da come si svolgono le partite sembra uno spiazzo vuoto, di dimensioni infinite (visto che posso anche evocare 100 goblin con un mazzo storm).
Come si schierano materialmente sul campo le unità alleate e quelle avversarie?
Ogni unità sembra sempre adiacente a tutte le altre (com’è possibile?) e perfettamente alla portata di attacco. Non esiste la copertura, un primo rdiale tentativo di schieramento dell’esercito: l’idea che un minotauro possa essere impiegato in prima linea ad incassar legnate, e un elfetto arciere nelle retrovie.

Uomodellepulci: “Ultimamente sei un po’ ipercritico nei confronti di Magic”
Snuffo: “Magic rimane un gran gioco. Il fatto è che finchè mangi pollo mattina, mezzogiorno e sera, non immagini che possano essere buoni anche il manzo o la spigola. Senza nulla togliere al pollo”
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Summoner Wars è un gioco di schermaglia fra eserciti fantasy. I mazzi, precostituiti, sono fortemente tematici (goblin delle grotte, orchi della tundra, elfi, nani, minotauri, non morti, mercenari….) e caratterizzati da abilità peculiari.
Ogni mazzo è costituito da un Evocatore (il boss), unità comuni, campioni, carte evento, muri. Esistono anche delle altre carte particolari di alcuni mazzi, ma non entrerò nel dettaglio.
L’evocatore è il big boss, e l’unica win condition: per vincere dovrete ammazzare il boss avversario.
Summoner Wars si gioca su una griglia di caselle 6x8. Data una posizione di partenza iniziale e diversa per ogni esercito (si comincia sempre con l’Evocatore e 2-3 unità comuni), gli eserciti vengono evocati in campo e organizzati a seconda della tipologia del mazzo e delle strategie. Le unità hanno diversi costi di evocazione, diverse velocità di spostamento sul tabellone, diverse abilità e diversi valori di attacco e TIPOLOGIE di attacco (corpo a corpo o a distanza). Ogni mazzo richiede un approccio diverso.
Punti di evocazione delle unità sono le caselle immediatamente adiacenti ai “muri”. I muri sono carte particolari, che vengono evocate gratuitamente e che hanno molteplici funzioni, dall’evocazione alla funzione tattica di “copertura”.
I combattimenti si svolgono coi dadi, influenzati da abilità, bonus e malus.
Il modo più semplice per descrivere SW è: magic + scacchi = summoner wars.
E’ infatti l’estremo dinamismo in campo il vero cuore del gioco:l’organizzazione del proprio esercito, la copertura, la scelta di cosa schierare davanti e cosa dietro, come aggirare o avvantaggiarsi di un certo ostacolo…

CONTINUA…

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Re: Summoner Wars

Post by Mangiafuoco » 26/06/2013 18:36

Più che agli scacchi ( qui ci sono dadi, carte, fazioni diverse ecc.), direi che somiglia a un wargames ( tipo warhammer , bloodbowl ,confrontation ecc. ) con carte al posto delle miniature e una griglia di gioco delimitata ( al posto della plancia). Di magic ha il fatto che bisogna evocare i vari rinforzi\unita' spendendo punti magia ( che si accumulano in vari modi) e il mazzo contenente le carte del proprio esercito.
Per il resto è un bellissimo gioco, di cui posseggo anche la versione cartacea( unica pecca secondo me le immagini delle carte, piuttosto bruttine, dato il rapporto prezzo\prodotto avrebbero potuto investire di piu' su questo aspetto).

PS: Quanto hai speso per la versione i-pad, hai preso il bundle?
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Re: Summoner Wars

Post by snuffz » 26/06/2013 23:25

Ultima ora: non so se e' stata la serata a casa di pidave a giocare a Quarriors, se l'aver aperto un topic dedicato a summoner wars o le dritte di mangiafuoco via pm, ma ho appena vinto due partite.
I miei cave goblins hanno piallato elfi della fenice e poi orchi della tundra.
Spettacolo!

Su ipad ho preso il bundle completo.. Mi pare 7 euro.

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Arrivati i 4 faction deck che avevo ordinato.
Bellissimi uno accanto all'altro, i 14 eserciti ....
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Mi mancano solo più i Filth e i Mercenaries.

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Post by LouStrong_o.O » 18/07/2013 10:04

Appena passa 'sto periodo di fuoco al lavoro mi date un po' di dritte vero?

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Post by FdD_Leviatano » 18/07/2013 13:40

Mi piace l'idea del tabellone e dei 14 eserciti ... però leggevo su "uplay" che nella scatola (Elfi della Fenice vs Orchi della Tundra) ci sono solo 70 carte complessive per due eserciti ...
è po' pochino per me che adoro quei giochi (proprio come magic) in cui esistono milioni di carte e miliardi di combinazioni!!! :coltello:

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Re: Summoner Wars

Post by snuffz » 18/07/2013 14:29

Tieni presente che in un mazzo di 60 carte di magic ci sono in media 20 terre.
Quindi le carte "attive" sono 40.
In Summoner Wars le carte attive sono tutte e 35 (poi spendi le carte stesse per evocare, insieme alle creature uccise all'avversario).
Ok, il set di carte è "finito" , d'altra parte è un living card game (benchè siano già usciti i reinforcement packs)

I giochi sono comunque indubbiamente diversi.
In Summoner Wars il campo di gioco, il movimento delle unità, è parte integrante della partita.
In realtà si potrebbero tranquillamente sostituire le carte con delle miniature e sarebbe un ottimo war game di ambientazione fantasy.

Vi consiglio l'edizione Summoner Wars Master Set: 42€ - contiene 6 eserciti.
http://www.egyp.it/Home/3909-summoner-w ... r-set.html

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Re: Summoner Wars

Post by snuffz » 18/07/2013 15:42

Un'ottima review di SW
Introduction
I picked up the starter sets of Summoner Wars based on a recommendation in a geeklist on this website. I love games that are fast, portable, and deeply strategic, and someone said I should give this game a try. I had reservations. My hesitation had nothing to do with the fact that Plaid Hat Games was a new company and this was their first game. After all, many of the very best games started with small publishers and new designers, and Colby Dauch has significant game design experience on other epic games.
No, my cause for pause was simply a fear of excessive randomness in a game that combined both shuffled cards and rolled dice. Wouldn’t victory go to the lucky player (drawing the cards they needed at the right times or rolling the better attacks), not the smarter player, most of the time?
Happily, my concerns were unfounded, and what I found in Summoner Wars was a game that quickly climbed into my rankings of all time favorites.

Gameplay
Each player in Summoner Wars controls a faction: Phoenix Elves, Tundra Orcs, Cave Goblins, Guild Dwarves, or one of the planned expansions: Human Vanguard and the Fallen Kingdom. The players each have a deck of 34 cards (and 1 reference card that summarizes some of the contents of the deck and shows a starting army configuration for the faction).
The deck of 34 cards contains 1 summoner (the powerful leader of the faction whose death loses the game for that player), 3 champions, 18 common units of 3 types, 9 event cards, and 3 walls. A handful of cards are placed on a paper grid to represent each player’s army, and it quickly becomes apparent that the game works like a miniatures battle game with cards instead of figurines.
As players draw through the deck, up to 5 cards in their hands, they are able to summon new champions and common units next to their walls by paying a cost in magic, then play powerful events they have in their hands to catch up, attack, place new walls, or otherwise change conditions on the board, then they get 3 movements (up to 2 spaces with 3 cards), and 3 attacks (rolling the number of dice a card allows in hopes of damaging an opponent’s unit or wall), and then they have a chance to place cards out of their hand into their magic pile to allow more summoning in a future round at the cost of sacrificing that card. They also gain enemies they kill as magic, allowing two different primary means to increase their summoning capacity.
Each unit card in the game has a summoning cost (except the summoner, obviously), an attack rating (the number of dice it gets to roll), a number of life points, a type of attack (ranged or melee), and 1 brilliantly balanced special power. The interaction of those special powers and the clever use of combinations to build a strategy are the heart of the game.
Players alternate turns until one of the summoners is dead.

Why It Works
The game is fast and fun. There is tension, excitement, action, and strategy in every play. Dominance often feels like it is shifting throughout the game, yet a carefully planned strategy and superior play will often win the day. I mentioned my fear of excessive randomness. I picked up the game Pocket Battles at the same time as Summoner Wars, and while there are things that I find incredibly clever in Pocket Battles, too, that game does feel like a random mess at times without much meaningful strategy. Summoner Wars, in contrast, is elegant and still deeply strategic.
The secret of Summoner Wars is the variety of play styles for the different factions. Plus there are enough dice rolls throughout a still very fast game that the results trend toward a normalized distribution and regression to the mean ensures a strategic game.
But I’d like to focus on the differences of the factions: I love all of them, and they are well balanced and each very interesting and fun to play. But in particular I love how they are more than just different play styles (though they certainly are that). They represent entirely different gaming philosophies, which I find absolutely ingenious. If you don’t want any chance that your plans fail due to luck, play the Phoenix Elves. They are frail, but they can use hit and run tactics and guaranteed damage to largely ignore even the potential randomness of dice, and thus be confident of a victory almost every time when played well. On the other hand, the Tundra Orcs are immensely powerful, but many of their attacks, ranging from their leader’s special ability to their fighter’s fury and their many dice, require lots and lots of rolls and an almost "gambling" game philosophy. Cave Goblins have incredibly weak but cheap units and can combine their attacks in interesting ways if you want to overwhelm and choke your opponent. Guild Dwarves are great for locking down an opponent’s options, either by trapping their units with guardians or tearing down their summoning walls. So you have predictable hit and run (PE), unpredictable crushing power (TO), overwhelming numbers (CG) and lock down tactics (GD) just in the first four starting factions, and even without those factions there are an array of options based on the powers of the different champions and the ways any individual may want to play the game.

In all of my plays of Summoner Wars to date, I have only lost one game, and that was a game where I simply had an unprecedented string of unfortunate rolls. I had the dice go against me for several rolls in the middle of the game, but still clawed my way back to a stronger position, went in for the kill against the opponent’s summoner, and rolled, over a series of turns, eight misses in a row. I lost the game, but her summoner only had 1 life left when mine was killed. Rather than discouraging me, it reinforced in my mind what a truly abnormal string of bad rolls is required to completely derail a sound strategy, and how fair and balanced the game really is. Randomness in the draws is mitigated by the small size of the deck and the usefulness of every card in the right circumstances. And randomness in the rolls is mitigated somewhat by the powers of the cards and the number of chances to attack players will have throughout the game.

Great Qualities of the Game
As noted above, I believe much of the genius of Summoner Wars comes from the fact that it offers both a myriad of game play styles and game play philosophies. I am so impressed with how that was captured with a small number of cards, and am hopeful that the incredible variety and balance continue with future expansions.
Beyond that, the game is just plain fun. Every round is action packed and interesting.
The game is really quite quick, which I tremendously appreciate. Players only go through the deck once, and it is a relatively small deck, so games can often end in 30 to 40 minutes, but feel like a complete, satisfying battle.
The art is great.
The game includes rules for 3 and 4 players, in addition to the basic 2 player game. There are times when I want to play on the same team as someone, and that is possible in Summoner Wars.
The rulebook and special power texts are fantastic. I really had very, very few questions and most of the game is extremely intuitive and easy to understand from the very first game. That also stands in marked contrast to Pocket Battles, the other game I picked up at the same time and mentioned above.
Finally, there are rules for customizing your deck if you want to spice things up and truly fine tune your strategy and game, yet you don't have to randomly buy booster packs hoping for good cards. You have the flexibility of a customizable card game without the inordinate costs. And there are some cool special mercenary cards that are planned to offer even more variety in customization. The first one is available now as a promo card when players order Summoner Wars sets directly from Plaid Hat Games.

What Would I Change?
Now, hopefully everyone will forgive me for making a couple of suggestions of things that I might have done differently. I know there are cost reasons and stylistic preferences why these things may not have been done in the game, and please understand that by making a couple of suggestions I am not saying that I do not absolutely adore the game as it is (I do). I just strive for completeness, and do have these thoughts of what could have been different that I will share for the curious.
I think colorful and custom dice would have been a nice enhancement for the game. Maybe a deluxe dice offering could be extended at some point, with colored dice for each faction and symbols in addition to the numbers on each of the faces. I will probably make my own, but I think an official released custom dice set would be awesome.
Similarly, I have heard talk of a premium board for the game being offered separately. I wholeheartedly support any such project, as the paper playing mat is reasonably portable and nicely made, but still somewhat troublesome as it does not always lie flat or withstand food or drink spills, and an actual board would be great to have at the location people play the most often.
I think there could have been more variety in the otherwise excellent art. Many of the cards feature just another picture of the faction summoner, or walls that all look the same. Rather than having the summoning occur at walls, I might have called them fortresses (or forts) and made each one look different for each faction. It would have been immersive and thematic to see what a tundra orc fort looked like, and what cave goblins, dwarves, and elves built instead.
On the subject of the different factions, I would have tried hard to represent each one with a different primary or secondary color. As it stands, the orcs are blue, the elves are red, the goblins are green, and the dwarves are a sort of redish-brown. The vanguard is currently planned for light blue and the fallen kingdom as black. I think the first three are great, but I would have probably tried to represent the six "main colors" by making the dwarves orange, the vanguard yellow, and the fallen purple, and then gone to black, white, and brown for even further expansions. Utilizing all the basic colors adds symmetry to the game and can be an aid for the color-blind in some circumstances.
Finally, I have referenced Pocket Battles a few times in this review, and one thing that would have been incredibly interesting to try would have been to make the units and events out of small cardboard tiles with a reference card summarizing the powers rather than as a deck of cards. The one thing I do really love about Pocket Battles is how portable it proves to be, and there is still room on cardboard tiles for significant art and iconic information. A small symbol cross referenced to a player aid that explains each units power would have mirrored Pocket Battles and brought that one best feature of that game over to Summoner Wars, which is the vastly superior game in every other way. Pocket Battles has roughly the same number of tiles in its factions (I believe 30 instead of 34, but close), and was produced very inexpensively. An added advantage of small tiles would have been the fact that the board could have been much smaller as well, and could have been made from a sturdier material while still fitting in a very compact box. Once Summoner Wars becomes as established and successful as it surely should (based on the quality of the game itself), I hope the production and sale of a travel edition is entertained at some point!

In Conclusion
I have to give Summoner Wars a 9 out of 10. It is one of the best games I have played, and that is saying something because I play thousands, generally sticking with the best and well established recommendations. I cannot endorse it highly enough. Pick it up, play it, and I suspect you will truly enjoy it.
Fonte: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/495862/ ... asterpiece

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